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Monks House Comments — Stephen Smith

Stephen Smith – It was thought that the main part of the house was built from the stones brought up the Westlode from the monastery at the dissolution in the 1540s ( I found piles of carrved stonework at the south east end of the paddock adjacent to the Bourne Road several years back.

There were 3 large fishing moats around the back of Monks House fed by the westlode and the south part of the house is built with different stone from the middle and north L shaped end AND you can see a straight line in the stonework where the middle part was added with stone from the monastery after the dissolution
The north L shaped end was added in 1680–has later Jacobean windows and a higher roof line.
SO the south end was built to support the Monks fishing to serve the monastery–ie the south end is from approx 12th C  IE much earlier than currently thought and I was told as a boy

The south end also had a turreted stairway leading up to an outer door on the second floor–facing west

The south door was originally the width of a horse cart.  There is a bakers oven in the south end groundfloor room

Thomas Kedbye obtained the house after the dissolution

Here are some photos circa 1960s and one from the 1970s
001 photo taken from the east circa 1960

005  50-100 yards to the northeeast–the moats in the back paddock

010 from the south with my mother’s (nee Joan Holland) summerhouse from Bilingborough

 

012 garden to the north and east of the house

011 garden to the east of the house

 

017 garden and back paddock to the north east of the house

 

069 from the north east the 1680s addition

070 the south end of the house–oldest part circa 12th C BUT likely with higher roof and more fancy gables possible “improved” in the 1680s so matched the north gable

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111 from the north east AFTER roof rebuilt post fire

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2889 aerial view 1987

 

 

 

 

 

 


Here’s what I have for people who lived in Monks House  – Response 

Benjamin Neal 1788-1868, married Mary Cole.  The Benjamin Neal my family is aware of was born Feb. 8, 1849 and married Janie French June 20, 1873.  Are we talking about the same relative? According to the Lincolnshire Directory, Benjamin lived in the Monk House in 1856 and an additional Directory in 1876 indicated he lived there with a Sarah Neal…but there is no Sarah Neal in the Neal Genealogy?

LOOKS TO ME AS THOUGH THE BENJAMIN NEAL AND MARY COLE IN MY RECORDS ARE 1-2 GENERATIONS BEFORE THE BENJAMIN NEAL BORN 1849

SO WE DO SEE SAME RECORDS FOR A SARAH NEAL BUT EXACTLY WHO SHE IS REMAINS A ?!!
i AM PRETTY SURE THERE IS A GRAVESTONE IN SPALDING CEMETERY FOR SARAH NEAL AND IT HAS CARVED MONKS HOUSE ON THE GRAVETONE  I CANNOT RECALL THE DATE THOUGH–SEARCHING

Sarah Neal 1824-1899  – as mentioned above, the only reference I’ve found so far is that she lived in the House in 1876, and she’s is not in the Neal Genealogy that began with Joseph Neal, my GtGt Grandfather.  Grandpa Joseph was born 1823, married Harriet Hardy, they had 10 children.  GtGt Grandpa Joseph died 1891 at the age of 68 soon after returning to England after a two month visit in the USA  visiting his first son, Joseph, my Gt Grandfather, and his 10 grandchildren in Michigan.  I have a photo of the cabin in which the family lived whose clapboard siding became the frame of the Monk House painting that I think I sent to you already.

Florence Annie Neal  who married Edward Smith 1850-1931  (Florence Annie pre-deceased Edward) Edward is my great grandfather – Florence is another interesting ancestor in the Neal genealogy.  Florence had a sister named Annie.  Florence Annie????  Florence married a guy named Walter Sanders and Annie married two guys, Duncan Ross and Maurice Freeling.  Mr. Ross is reported to pass away whereupon Annie re-married Mr. Freeling.  G
OF YOU LOOK AT THE PHOTO OF THE MAID, BENJAMIN SMITH AND CHARLES SMITH AS YOUNG BOUYS AND THEIR PARENTS EDWARD SMITH AND FLORENCE YOU WILL SEE ANOTHER YOUNER LADY AND SHE SO CLOSELY RESEMNBLES FLORENCE–MUST BE A SISTER

Edward Smith came from Sibsey near Boston Lincolnshire to work on the farm

My understanding is that Florence Annie was a niece of Sarah – maybe this is where Sarah came into the picture, but nowhere was she in the Neal Genealogy.  She was referenced living in the House in 1876 along with Benjamin.

Sarah was renting Monks House and the farm from Lord Carrington – is this Lord a Smith?  I HAD A QUICK LOOK AT THE CARRINGTONS AND THE INFO ON THE BANK SPEAK TO A SMITH FAMILY—  BUT NOT THE SMITH FAMILY I STEM FROM!

Edward and his sons Benjamin and Charles purchased Monks House and the farm from the Carrington Estate in the early 1920s after WWI – this Benjamin could not be the same one documented in our Genealogy.  The Benjamin Neal in our line was born some time after 1843-44.  YES, BENJAMIN JAMES SMITH (MOTHER A NEAL)—– EDWARD SMITH AND FLORENCE HAD 2 SONS BENJAMIN JAMES SMITH AND CHARLES EDWARD SMITH MY GREAT UNCLE AND GRANDFATHER, RESPECTIVELY.

Attached is copy of my genealogy back to GTGt Grandpa Joseph.  I’m noted on page 3 under John Joseph/Rose Marie – John Jay.

People who lived in Monks House

Benjamin Neal 1788-1868, married Mary Cole

Sarah Neal 1824-1899

Florence Annie Neal  who married Edward Smith 1850-1931  (Florence Annie pre-deceased Edward) Edward is my great grandfather

Edward Smith came from Sibsey near Boston Lincolnshire to work on the farm

My understanding is that Florence Annie was a niece of Sarah

Sarah was renting Monks House and the farm from Lord Carrington

Edward and his sons Benjamin and Charles purchased Monks House and the farm from the Carrington Estate in the early 1920s after WWI

 

Family Photos 


1 is  east side of Monks House circa 1900?????
L to R
maid, Benjamin James Smith, Edward Smith (father), Charles Edward Smith (my grandfather),Fllorence Annie Neal (his wife  I THInK), ?, and
relative of Florence Annie Neal ( I Think–very similar face)

Grace Smith –one of the 2 daughters of CE Smith and Ruth nee Mann (one of my Dad’s 2 sisters had a face and eyes very like her grandmother Florence Annie Neal

I think the other 2 photos are of Florence Annie Neal

They used to spend winters in the Mediterranean due to her health

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Report of the fire

John E Smith
The timbers in the roof were being treated with a chemical to prevent woodworm as reports were that the timbers were fine and so we were preparing to retile the entire roof
The chemical was highly flammable. When a light was switched on late evening in the upstairs bedroom it caused a spark which ignited the gasses that were still lingering after the spraying
We could hear noise in the roof and the chimney flues upstairs were getting warm

SO I dialled 999 emergency for the fire brigade
We heard the sirens then nothing
I got in the car and floored it up town at 70 mph in the 30 mph restiction to find the railway crossing gates (8 gates on Winsover Rd) just opening after waiting for a train to pass and the fire brigade  then sped 1 mile up to Monks House
They were there and deployed when I returned
A fireman with a large axe asked where the main electricity supply came into the house–He axed the connection cutting all power into the house
Fireman entered via the north door while we were aided by Reg Dobbs and farm workers hauled furniture etc out the southwest door.
The reef and plaster ceilings prevented the fire getting below the ceiling and with the fire brigade kept all damage in the roof.
2/3rds of the roof timbers were destroyed from the north end.
The damaged roof was covered with tarpaulin
We (my mother father and me) with Tina the rough haired terrier slept in my mother’s aunts caravan a few yards to the southwest of the house under the walnut tree in the font paddock –my father towed the caravan from Scopwick near Lincoln

Today does Monks House have cellars

I must say though that having lived in Monks House from 1958-1985 we found no cellars at all!
Maybe there is a goldmine down there somewhere though
BUT I suspect Lord Carrington would have made sure to clean the cellars out before selling the property after WWI ( via agents Carter Jonas in Cambridge) in the 1920s when it was bought by my great grandfather Edward Smith and his two sons Benjamin and Charles

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Back in the 1980s I also dug a deep trench with a hydraulic digger 75 yards or so to the east of the house just about where a tunnel might have been but found nothing

There are piles of carved stones–window frames etc in the paddock to the east of the house near the Bourne Road that I found–likely more remain under the grass about 100 yards to the east of the house
just north of the Bourne Road
These were surely from the monastery after the dissolution

Description of Architecture – Photo 1960

1570 You can clearly see the change in the stone work between the south (left) original part of the house when it was used to serve the monastery by
fishing in the moats a few yards to the southeast –compared to the middle section (right) added to using stones from the monastery after the dissolution in the 1540s.

see also the different roof and ceiling heights and ground floor windows on the L shaped northern extension circa 1680

Vistor comments

One Response

  1. If the contents of Smith’s Bank were taken to the cellars of Monk’s House, they would have been returned to Nottingham in 1754, when the problem of Bonnie Prince Charlie was over, and new bank premises had been purchased in Old Market Square.

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